●● IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 ●● ● Dec 30 [09:38] acer-box__ heads is w/o systemd [09:38] acer-box__ we gave to elephants last night ● Dec 30 [10:32] Techrights-sec Just donated to Tails. I guess that was the last on the list for the year. [10:32] Techrights-sec I hope the FSF is in shape again by next year that I can in good conscience [10:32] Techrights-sec donat to them again.k [10:32] Techrights-sec Yes, I should also promote Heads. [10:32] Techrights-sec Elephants are quite interesting creatures. [10:32] Techrights-sec Very wise and empathic. [10:32] Techrights-sec The bulls don't put up with much shit, which is why they stopped using them [10:32] Techrights-sec first in circuses. They'd always rampage eventually and could remember where [10:32] Techrights-sec everyone had run and hid, pull them out and kill them one at a time. [10:32] Techrights-sec Left in the wild, they are rather peaceful. [10:32] Techrights-sec Their front leg bones, at least, are solid. And the elephants can hear infrasound [10:32] Techrights-sec So I wonder if they can feel and or transmit through their front legs too, [10:32] Techrights-sec not just the ears. [10:32] Techrights-sec https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=heads [10:32] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-DistroWatch.com: heads [10:32] Techrights-sec Listed as dormant. [10:32] Techrights-sec Last update was 2018. [10:32] Techrights-sec THere has been a run of anti-privacy articles recently. [10:32] Techrights-sec The theme is extreme violation of basic rights in order to crack horrible [10:32] Techrights-sec cases. [10:38] schestowitz ytalk hung up when I was downstairs doing exercise, I got text ranging from the above [start...finish]. Did I miss anything before or in between/after? [10:40] Techrights-sec No, that was it. I think. The program disappeared when the disconnection [10:40] Techrights-sec occured. I have been quiet since then. [10:40] Techrights-sec Exercise is good. [10:40] Techrights-sec It's midday and though it seems very bright it measures at under 60 Lux [10:41] schestowitz Nordic blogger Daniel Anexanderson (not real surname, I forgot) mentioned buying lights, or maybe it was Daniel of Curl [10:42] schestowitz ytalk deals extremely poorly with terminal resizes, I must remember never to mess with anything there once it is set. Works well only if I leave it with alerts, tinker-free, no disconnections [10:44] Techrights-sec As for the text, there have been several articles on abusing surveillance. [10:44] Techrights-sec I wonder if it is part of a campaign. [10:44] Techrights-sec Lights are not needed except for video conferencing, which I don't do/ [10:44] Techrights-sec HOwever, in the other parts of the year, sunglasses are obligatory. [10:44] Techrights-sec You can run ytalk inside a tmux session. That makes it more robust against [10:44] Techrights-sec disconnection. [10:44] Techrights-sec Maybe emacs in collaboration mode would be better. [10:45] schestowitz I was going to try tmux, but then I thought, no... too much extra complexity where not much is needed. I am mostly accustomed to ytalk by now. I tried to resize to see if the buffer had something (recent) above "Just donated to Tails." and you said no, so I assume I lost nothing, not even after " The theme is extreme violation of basic rights in order to crack horrible" [10:46] schestowitz I wrote a lot about privacy today as it seems to be a theme in general and needs rebutting. I shall do a video in a moment, have not decided on topic yet. OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS! [10:47] schestowitz I cannot do any video on a subject I'm not really familiar with as that might lead to errors that are impossible to correct (editing text is easier) [10:48] Techrights-sec Text would be more appropriate than video. WIth text you can think things [10:48] Techrights-sec through several times over and review and revise. [10:48] Techrights-sec https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/snitches-wheels-police-turn-car-data-destroy-suspects-alibis-n1251939 [10:48] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.nbcnews.com | Insecure wheels: Police turn to car data to destroy suspects' alibis [10:48] schestowitz I saw only this one article about it; it was actually sent to me when an error, only a title but no URL. Had to search the Web and find many copies (also Yahoo) of that same report [10:49] schestowitz There's already an abundance (I think) of videos and talks about all aspects of spying and privacy, very few on software freedom, so would rather focus on what's scarce [10:50] schestowitz coming soon. Leak: Today's EPO Breaks Its Contract With Former Staff of the EPO, Not Just Existing Staff [10:51] Techrights-sec I saw like three or four recently but am not sure if I can gather them all [10:51] Techrights-sec in one place. I skim through so many. [10:51] Techrights-sec Software freedom is part of that. Look at the NBC article and see [10:51] Techrights-sec that part of the core problem is who *really* owns the car. [10:51] Techrights-sec and its software and the data gathered by the software. [10:51] schestowitz good point [10:52] Techrights-sec Wow. EPO management are really crooked. It's truly bizarre that no regional [10:52] Techrights-sec news covers it. [10:55] Techrights-sec As for the missing anchor text I should add in an additional check [10:55] Techrights-sec and then maybe use colored alerts or something. [10:55] Techrights-sec I recently forced checking of the XHTML and the script won't upload [10:55] Techrights-sec until everything is valid and well-formed. [10:55] schestowitz echo ========== QUOTES [10:55] schestowitz grep \"\" links-after.html [10:55] schestowitz echo ========== NO ANCHOR [10:55] schestowitz grep "><\/a" links-after.html [10:55] schestowitz echo ========== TM [10:55] schestowitz grep "tuxmachines" links-after.html [10:57] Techrights-sec Oh. The logic is already there in the merging and culling scripts. [10:57] Techrights-sec It is just a matter of introducing a fatal error when encountering an [10:57] Techrights-sec emtpy A or no HREF attribute. ● Dec 30 [11:41] Techrights-sec .. while printing out what is there so it can be looked up and completed. [11:41] Techrights-sec I prefer vi for editing those templates but found that I can reduce the [11:41] Techrights-sec number of errors I introduce by using emacs for that instead. [11:41] Techrights-sec I should also move to Rakulang but am lacking the motivation, but am [11:41] Techrights-sec very close to actually getting movign on it. [11:41] Techrights-sec With the NBC article above, the police should be able to get [11:41] Techrights-sec a warrant for the data but they should have to ask the car's [11:41] Techrights-sec owner not Google or the car's vendor. [11:41] Techrights-sec THere was anothef article where the vehicle was stolen and the thief [11:41] Techrights-sec voice was recorded by the car and used to identify him while [11:41] Techrights-sec the car's tracking placed him at the scene of the crime. [11:41] Techrights-sec But I cannot find that specific article. [11:41] Techrights-sec https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/snitches-wheels-police-turn-car-data-destroy-suspects-alibis-n1251939 [11:41] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.nbcnews.com | Insecure wheels: Police turn to car data to destroy suspects' alibis [11:41] Techrights-sec That's that one. [11:41] Techrights-sec https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/she-didn-t-know-her-kidnapper-he-was-using-google-n1252472 [11:41] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.nbcnews.com | She didn't know her kidnapper. But he was using Google Maps and that cracked the case. [11:41] Techrights-sec geofencing [11:41] Techrights-sec who owns the smartphone and the data it collects? [11:43] schestowitz will use these links with the vide [11:44] schestowitz o ● Dec 30 [13:22] Techrights-sec The Amazon Ring doorbell is another example like with the cars. [13:22] Techrights-sec And Google Nest [13:22] Techrights-sec [13:22] Techrights-sec https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/ [13:22] Techrights-sec bunch of press releases only [13:22] Techrights-sec https://www.californialawreview.org/amazon-ring-undermining-fourth-amendment/ [13:22] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | CIO News | Enterprise IT, Enterprise Technology, Tech Industry News - ET CIO [13:22] Techrights-sec https://www.faylawfirm.com/blog/2020/08/how-your-tollway-i-pass-could-affect-your-divorce/ [13:22] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.californialawreview.org | Bad Neighbors? How Amazons Ring Video Surveillance Could be Undermining Fourth Amendment Protections - California Law Review [13:22] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.faylawfirm.com | How your Tollway I-Pass could affect your divorce | Fay, Farrow & Associates, P.C. [13:22] Techrights-sec https://www.wbez.org/stories/how-your-private-illinois-tollway-data-is-shared-with-cops-and-divorce-lawyers/cea68ea0-4b13-481a-80a1-50bf0e9db738 [13:22] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.wbez.org | The Illinois Tollway Turns Over Your I-Pass Data | WBEZ Chicago ● Dec 30 [14:46] Techrights-sec Grauniad: [14:46] Techrights-sec http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/dec/23/amazon-ring-camera-hack-lawsuit-threats [14:46] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.theguardian.com | Dozens sue Amazon's Ring after camera hack leads to threats and racial slurs | Amazon | The Guardian [14:46] schestowitz thanks, I have published a video about this, added some of the links above. I've just made another quick video while Rianne is out (buying food) to explain what software we use... ● Dec 30 [15:06] schestowitz would you want to join in over mumble in the future (I don't know how to plug inputs/outputs for quality, but can research if we go down that route) [15:07] Techrights-sec sure as long as it is not recorded [15:08] schestowitz OK, let's leave that aside as possibility as thing to explore another day. I still think kaniini is postponing as long as possible, intending to just throw across the VMs without (yet) doing the container-by-container work [15:09] schestowitz next video: How We Record Videos With Very Low-Budget Gear and Only Free (Libre) Software [15:11] Techrights-sec I have mumble up and running at xxxxxxxxxxxnet/TR/ but that [15:11] Techrights-sec would be for private conversations rather than forum related stuff [15:11] Techrights-sec I've used it a bit these last few months. The sound is ok. [15:11] Techrights-sec Keep in mind that the videos have a high threshold to cross as a means of [15:11] Techrights-sec conveying information. Many read much more quickly than they can listen. [15:11] Techrights-sec Written material also shows up in the search engines, so maybe the videos [15:11] Techrights-sec can be your brainstorming for articles? [15:12] schestowitz sometimes I do video, then text. Sometimes vice versa. Still learning, experimenting, improving a bit. The videos don't take extra time (almost none) and I always put them next to text. [15:13] schestowitz TBH, I am stupid with "social" web crap. [15:13] schestowitz I've often told rianne, where have people gone? [15:13] schestowitz why is lxer dying [15:13] schestowitz same for Linux Today [15:13] schestowitz Are people in FB? [15:13] schestowitz Don't know [15:13] schestowitz what comes after social control media? [15:13] schestowitz are people flocking to video/youtube? [15:13] schestowitz I never saw things like tiktok in action, have no clue what they do [15:14] schestowitz I do know we must be ready to evolve [15:15] Techrights-sec I've got to run some xxxxxxx and will be back in about xxxx\hours more or less [15:18] schestowitz I've just checked apache logs. says 19,3k hits on "ogv" for the past 3.5 days [15:19] schestowitz I think the video can get more visibility and for longer on some topics, I'll probably run out of good topic anyway some time soon [15:55] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [15:55] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell-social [15:56] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [15:56] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell-social ● Dec 30 [18:04] Techrights-sec The TikTok stuff is just a bunch of hyperactive jumping around and [18:04] Techrights-sec the worst editing / cutting imaginable. [18:04] Techrights-sec It seems to be partially affecting other Video forums like Youtube and [18:04] Techrights-sec LBRY and others [18:05] schestowitz sounds like another useless "phone" 'thing' [18:08] schestowitz Sounds just like LOSER the Pooh would prescribe [18:08] Techrights-sec Yes. [18:08] Techrights-sec Pooh Bear is going to break up Alibab and co. [18:09] Techrights-sec It is. HOwever the groups that grew up on psychotically edited cartoons on TV [18:09] Techrights-sec are of the age they are playing with tiktok. [18:09] Techrights-sec IMHO tiktok serves no other purpose than to mess with peoples' heads and [18:09] Techrights-sec reduce their ability to concetrate while making them more gullible to [18:09] Techrights-sec propaganda manipulation. [18:11] schestowitz A long time ago a friend with dodgy views on things inc. the world told me this theory about TV making men gentler and more feminine (example using TV shows with singing, dancing etc.) so that they would not stand up and resist [18:12] Techrights-sec Far worse methods than just singing and dancing. [18:12] Techrights-sec :( [18:12] Techrights-sec Being used. [18:24] Techrights-sec The main thing with tiktok and snapchat is to get people to mindlessly [18:24] Techrights-sec "emit" behaviors which can be measured and thus manipulated and thus [18:24] Techrights-sec monetized. [18:25] schestowitz I need to read more into those things. I don't participate, except I did in Twitter, so my understanding of it is rather poor (FB the same) ● Dec 30 [19:33] Techrights-sec I suspect that the CCC's rC3 has fallen on its face. [19:33] Techrights-sec Very few talks are up and it is almost New Year's Eve. [19:33] Techrights-sec Just got a bulk e-mai lfrom FSF. There is no mention of them [19:33] Techrights-sec making an efort to patch things up with RMS or to appologize to him [19:33] schestowitz I am very, very confused [19:34] schestowitz spent the past 15 minutes running a script from my PC [19:34] schestowitz which I had to fix [19:34] schestowitz and now I am back to ytalk, only for chat about "I suspect..." [19:35] schestowitz I basically lost track of what was intended to happy but assumed a new tmux session had been set up for me to access and I may have lost all communications prior to "I suspect" [19:38] Techrights-sec I changed topic, I though you were connected again? [19:38] Techrights-sec But I do not see tmux in ps. [19:38] Techrights-sec for ytalk to persist across disconnections the tmux session needs to b [19:38] Techrights-sec e on this machine [19:41] Techrights-sec Yes, that script looks good, but save this text and then try disconnecting. [19:41] Techrights-sec THen run the script. This ytalk is not in a tmux session on your side of [19:41] Techrights-sec the conversation. [19:55] Techrights-sec yway, FSF is sending out bulk e-mails but have not yet patched things up with [19:55] Techrights-sec >nworse [19:55] Techrights-sec > nsee what I said today [19:56] schestowitz all their pages autoplay videos with audio _AT THE BOTTOM_ (hard to find) without even JS enabled.. I first noticed that days ago [19:56] schestowitz side note: I have spent something like half an hour on this whole tmux/ytalk thing without any progress. Was unable to post links, lost focus, will get sleep soon. [19:57] Techrights-sec yway, FSF is sending out bulk e-mails but have not yet patched things up with [19:57] Techrights-sec RMS [19:57] Techrights-sec In the e-mail? Yes, I saw and have been thinking about it. I'm not [19:57] Techrights-sec good at politics though. [19:57] Techrights-sec Yes there is a lot going wrong there. I'm not sure yet if it is intentional [19:58] Techrights-sec or just general incompetence. [19:58] Techrights-sec Either way it is off-putting. [19:58] Techrights-sec I'm seeing other institutions, some of which have mandates to reach [19:58] Techrights-sec everybody, blocking everybody using javascript. ,too. [19:58] schestowitz In the process of all this in and out for tmux I may have lost things you said in the session. making a permanent tmux session without rering and all that would be ideal [19:59] schestowitz so before I go I want to get this sorted out if possible. ● Dec 30 [20:00] schestowitz my rss feeds are 'clean' for now, I just want to forget about all this hassle the past houts, with daemonFC talking nonsense about his personal life and highlighting me at the same time [20:02] Techrights-sec Sleep or exercise or both. [20:02] Techrights-sec I had to take a ccccccc cccccc today. [20:02] Techrights-sec Oh. [20:02] Techrights-sec I have some tweaks in the other window. I can paste them in a moment. [20:06] Techrights-sec >tmux now [20:06] Techrights-sec >can you repeat the last 2 lines? [20:06] Techrights-sec >I miss the "rhetorical" something [20:07] Techrights-sec I wonder why he is stationed in TR. [20:07] Techrights-sec (rhetorical question) [20:07] Techrights-sec I see with ps that you have tmux set up. I think if you disconnectm [20:07] Techrights-sec without breaking the script's loop, you will reconnect in progress. [20:07] schestowitz that is just what the script does. Anyway, I am glad we at least got it set up in tmux [20:08] schestowitz testing disconnect and reconnect [20:08] schestowitz hang on [20:08] Techrights-sec ok [20:08] Techrights-sec ctrlb+d does it [20:09] schestowitz OK, done. I terminated the terminal to emulate lost of connection [20:10] schestowitz no rering crap and clear buffers anymore... :-) [20:10] Techrights-sec yep [20:10] Techrights-sec are you connected again? [20:10] Techrights-sec tmux stays running here until power loss or reboot or whatever on this end [20:11] schestowitz ok, good night, will be back soon, I try 2-piece sleep session this year [20:11] schestowitz you will see the nature of the crap from daemonFC tomorrow; nothing malicious, just OT [20:12] Techrights-sec ok gn [20:12] Techrights-sec medieval sleep patterns work well IMHO [20:15] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [20:16] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell-social [20:16] schestowitz can you pls disable tmux clock ;-) ? It's triggering my elery every 1 min :-) [20:16] schestowitz *alert [20:19] Techrights-sec ok, it'll take a little to adjust the status bar [20:19] schestowitz no rush, it just gives endless false positives (sound and visual) [20:21] Techrights-sec Ok. I've turned off the clock. [20:21] schestowitz puuuurfect. I've put in tuxmachines everything possible for now... news is very slow [20:22] Techrights-sec Does that fix it? [20:22] schestowitz Yes, I know, but that's rare, not as bad as 60x24 times per day [20:23] Techrights-sec Ok. but the calendar will roll over at night in a bit. [20:23] Techrights-sec tmux set-option -g status-right " \"#{=21:pane_title}\" %d-%b-%y" [20:23] Techrights-sec It can be added to .tmux.conf at a later point [20:24] schestowitz we can be woken up by raspi lights, I think you've made a script for that [20:24] Techrights-sec yes, but I would prefer to avoid waking anyone up [20:24] Techrights-sec \ [20:25] schestowitz if the server is not available, tmux on TR will likely highlight the cause and .htaccess is in bash_history at top right [20:25] Techrights-sec I should set up some more light notifications here on this end but th [20:25] Techrights-sec e sounds work (mostly) for now, unless there is a lot of noise or deep slee[p [20:26] Techrights-sec Oh, I have monitoring down since the other day when the migration was planned.