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schestowitz | sometimes they might even demand you install some proprietary crap | Oct 25 00:00 |
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schestowitz | (I don't) | Oct 25 00:00 |
schestowitz | vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: about 2/3 of gnu/linux packages are tainted/infected with github deps | Oct 25 00:00 |
schestowitz | so it affects all of us | Oct 25 00:00 |
schestowitz | techrights did many detailed articles on this | Oct 25 00:01 |
schestowitz | figosdev studies the packages and their deps extensively, using software he wrote to analyse the data | Oct 25 00:01 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | That's an alarmingly large number. Does that take into consideration just mirror repos on GitHub? | Oct 25 00:01 |
schestowitz | even gnu is badly infected | Oct 25 00:01 |
schestowitz | vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: yes, it does | Oct 25 00:01 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/05/17/gnuhub-pt-5/ | Oct 25 00:02 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft GNU-Hub (Part 5) | Techrights | Oct 25 00:02 | |
schestowitz | see also 4 prior parts | Oct 25 00:02 |
schestowitz | they're in the "summary | Oct 25 00:02 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 25 00:02 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Eh | Oct 25 00:04 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I'm not surprised anymore | Oct 25 00:04 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | FSF is just another Microsoft mouthpiece now | Oct 25 00:04 |
schestowitz | I would not go as far as alleging this | Oct 25 00:05 |
schestowitz | unless you have concrete url to go by | Oct 25 00:05 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | The lack of outcries (From FSF) about what's been happening lately is enough for me | Oct 25 00:06 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | 10 years ago there wouldn't be so much radio silence from them | Oct 25 00:07 |
schestowitz | check sponsors | Oct 25 00:07 |
schestowitz | Google was top sponsors for several consecutive years | Oct 25 00:07 |
MinceR | perhaps the redmond mafia only bought the FSF's silence | Oct 25 00:07 |
schestowitz | whilst lobbying the government and paying the peanut gallery through gsoc 'charity' | Oct 25 00:07 |
schestowitz | it's a lot cheaper than antitrust fines | Oct 25 00:08 |
schestowitz | FSF moaned ZOOM a lot | Oct 25 00:08 |
schestowitz | ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM | Oct 25 00:08 |
schestowitz | but said nothing about Microsoft for years | Oct 25 00:08 |
MinceR | mazda? | Oct 25 00:08 |
schestowitz | Github, Skype, TikTok | Oct 25 00:08 |
schestowitz | silence | Oct 25 00:08 |
schestowitz | even when Microsoft did really horrible stuff | Oct 25 00:08 |
schestowitz | maybe zoom is seem as a 'soft' target for them | Oct 25 00:09 |
schestowitz | while overlooking a bunch of others, I dunno... | Oct 25 00:09 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I still get a lot of my software from FTP | Oct 25 00:10 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Bit of a shame it doesn't get more media coverage | Oct 25 00:11 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | GNU still do releases of their tarballs via FTP | Oct 25 00:11 |
schestowitz | while moz drops ftp support | Oct 25 00:11 |
schestowitz | coz google had done too | Oct 25 00:11 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | And you get to pick from a host of compression algos and all are PGP signed | Oct 25 00:12 |
schestowitz | they also move away from irc | Oct 25 00:12 |
schestowitz | at first experimented a bit with proprietary discord for rust | Oct 25 00:12 |
schestowitz | now matrix or similar, afaik | Oct 25 00:12 |
schestowitz | but... the idea that "old" means "bad" is worrying | Oct 25 00:12 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | That was a big red flag for me (Discord for Rust) | Oct 25 00:12 |
schestowitz | same for http without encryption layer | Oct 25 00:12 |
schestowitz | not all web traffic needs to be that strict... the lesser evil is non-login'ed traffic, compared to trackers and cookies | Oct 25 00:13 |
schestowitz | firefox does little or nothing about the latter | Oct 25 00:13 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Idk if people here are aware | Oct 25 00:13 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | But Thunderbird runs on Chrome..... | Oct 25 00:13 |
schestowitz | yet firefox now follows google in blacklisting and maligning any url request that's not https | Oct 25 00:13 |
schestowitz | likely with US backdoored CA | Oct 25 00:13 |
schestowitz | what thunderbird part? | Oct 25 00:14 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | One would have though MOZILLA Thunderbird would be built on top of Firefox | Oct 25 00:14 |
schestowitz | it's gecko | Oct 25 00:14 |
schestowitz | and the base is the same | Oct 25 00:14 |
schestowitz | releases too | Oct 25 00:14 |
schestowitz | maybe it has option now for another rendering engine | Oct 25 00:14 |
schestowitz | but that's different | Oct 25 00:14 |
schestowitz | it's mostly for mail | Oct 25 00:14 |
schestowitz | after more than a decade I dumped thunderbird for rss feeds | Oct 25 00:14 |
schestowitz | because they broke essential plugins I had used for about a decade | Oct 25 00:15 |
schestowitz | like "ThunderBrowse" | Oct 25 00:15 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | RIP | Oct 25 00:15 |
schestowitz | I moved to quiterss within days | Oct 25 00:15 |
schestowitz | thunderbird also phases out enigmail now | Oct 25 00:15 |
schestowitz | it does openpgp its own way | Oct 25 00:15 |
schestowitz | but the migration path they offered has worked for me | Oct 25 00:16 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | GNU mailtuils still looks pretty solid | Oct 25 00:16 |
schestowitz | afaik, thunderbird has about one maintainer (Ryan) | Oct 25 00:16 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I haven't done any serious email system engineering in a while though | Oct 25 00:16 |
schestowitz | while mozilla does a bunch of crap | Oct 25 00:16 |
schestowitz | with engs that call themselves "data scientists" | Oct 25 00:16 |
superkuh | QuiteRSS is the best available. I still use an old fork of Thunderbird for email/usenet. | Oct 25 00:16 |
schestowitz | they're spying on TBs of users' data | Oct 25 00:17 |
superkuh | FossaMail. But it's no longer maintained. | Oct 25 00:17 |
schestowitz | neither is the Web | Oct 25 00:17 |
schestowitz | it's out of control | Oct 25 00:17 |
superkuh | The web needs to split. | Oct 25 00:17 |
schestowitz | spinning out of control wherever GT-MAFIA tells it to | Oct 25 00:17 |
schestowitz | EME, DRM, browser 'extensions' and lots of stuff I've barely managed to even keep track of | Oct 25 00:18 |
schestowitz | like "workers" | Oct 25 00:18 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | It's more the web for normal people is out of control | Oct 25 00:18 |
schestowitz | and all that "notifications" and "push" crap | Oct 25 00:18 |
superkuh | http://superkuh.com/blog/2020-02-22-1.html | Oct 25 00:18 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-superkuh.com | NO TITLE | Oct 25 00:18 | |
schestowitz | that's the point I've long made | Oct 25 00:19 |
schestowitz | using as an example tuxmachines | Oct 25 00:19 |
schestowitz | people barely log in | Oct 25 00:19 |
schestowitz | they cannot even create new accounts | Oct 25 00:19 |
schestowitz | their ISPs spies on them | Oct 25 00:19 |
schestowitz | and it's not too hard to sell their browsing history | Oct 25 00:20 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | "they need nine 9s uptime" this is one of the worst. That's why a lot of new kids don't do anything independently hosted. | Oct 25 00:20 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | People need to renormalise downtime | Oct 25 00:20 |
schestowitz | so the gain associating with traffic encryption is rather minimal... maybe might access the site through some 'search engine' that spies regardless | Oct 25 00:20 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Nuclear stations have downtime | Oct 25 00:20 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Military systems have downtime | Oct 25 00:20 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | This whole zero-downtime nonsense is what's hurt FOSS a lot more than anything else | Oct 25 00:21 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Part of the shilling strategy for GitHub as well | Oct 25 00:21 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | And as if they have no downtime lol | Oct 25 00:21 |
schestowitz | permanent downtime for youtube-dl LOL | Oct 25 00:22 |
schestowitz | ETA? Unknown. | Oct 25 00:22 |
schestowitz | "Ask maaa lawyers.." | Oct 25 00:22 |
schestowitz | indefinite downtime :-) | Oct 25 00:23 |
schestowitz | I'd go futher tbh | Oct 25 00:24 |
schestowitz | I mean, a step further back | Oct 25 00:24 |
schestowitz | rethink not only these protocols and browsers, or even crap these access, like social control media | Oct 25 00:25 |
schestowitz | "Canta" recently did an article related to this in techrights | Oct 25 00:25 |
schestowitz | the concept of downtime is lost | Oct 25 00:25 |
schestowitz | people used to "go online" | Oct 25 00:25 |
schestowitz | dial-up modems | Oct 25 00:25 |
schestowitz | then disconnect | Oct 25 00:25 |
schestowitz | many people are now constantly "connected" | Oct 25 00:25 |
schestowitz | with a phone following them | Oct 25 00:25 |
schestowitz | we constantly see people bringing their phone even to the pool | Oct 25 00:26 |
schestowitz | or poolside | Oct 25 00:26 |
schestowitz | in pool it means taking selfies and stuff while at the edge of the pool, inside it, with the hand holding it out | Oct 25 00:26 |
schestowitz | symptom of how stupid personal uptime became | Oct 25 00:26 |
schestowitz | apparently in places like japan they make waterproof phones popular | Oct 25 00:27 |
schestowitz | so naked people take a "smart" (computer) phone with them to the shower | Oct 25 00:27 |
schestowitz | and so people are wired to corporations and states | Oct 25 00:27 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | The pushback is coming. You can only go on exploiting for so long. :) | Oct 25 00:27 |
schestowitz | with a "phone" on to serve as alarm clock | Oct 25 00:27 |
schestowitz | last I checked, my alarm clock since 20 years ago still works ok | Oct 25 00:27 |
schestowitz | even has option for batteries as fallback... it's a NEC | Oct 25 00:28 |
schestowitz | and now more people realise 24/7 "online" does not make them happy | Oct 25 00:28 |
schestowitz | I spoke to my dad about it today for 30 minutes | Oct 25 00:28 |
schestowitz | he hates the concept of FB, he's not participating | Oct 25 00:28 |
schestowitz | and it anger him to see how my sister uses it | Oct 25 00:28 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I don't use social control media either | Oct 25 00:28 |
schestowitz | for a lot of reasons | Oct 25 00:28 |
schestowitz | they also infringe other people's privacy in these platforms; they just don't care | Oct 25 00:29 |
schestowitz | so... | Oct 25 00:29 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Not personally, at least. But I like to keep an eye on what they're doing on the technical side. | Oct 25 00:29 |
schestowitz | forget about site and transport layer | Oct 25 00:29 |
schestowitz | because low baud dual-up modems we had computers | Oct 25 00:29 |
schestowitz | floppies and word processors | Oct 25 00:29 |
schestowitz | we had printers | Oct 25 00:29 |
schestowitz | stuff got done | Oct 25 00:29 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I got a printer right next to me lol | Oct 25 00:30 |
schestowitz | maybe not "online" or in "real-time", but we could pick up the phone for that | Oct 25 00:30 |
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schestowitz | and phones are more expressive than text, more nuance in voice than in chars | Oct 25 00:30 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | We do have VoIP though | Oct 25 00:30 |
schestowitz | gnu still existed | Oct 25 00:30 |
schestowitz | before the WWW | Oct 25 00:30 |
schestowitz | it used ftp back then | Oct 25 00:30 |
schestowitz | not sure about bulletin board, but nntp was apt | Oct 25 00:31 |
schestowitz | it could be brought up to date whenever you "go online" again | Oct 25 00:31 |
schestowitz | synced with the ISP's local nodes | Oct 25 00:31 |
schestowitz | and then too could afford some downtime | Oct 25 00:31 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Problem is you get all the shady stuff brought in in the name of "convenience" | Oct 25 00:31 |
schestowitz | they could always go back and brought up to date | Oct 25 00:31 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Look at the IoT | Oct 25 00:32 |
schestowitz | vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: distraction is not convenience | Oct 25 00:32 |
schestowitz | at the moment I rearrange my setup to reduce noise | Oct 25 00:32 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Basically corporate spying | Oct 25 00:32 |
schestowitz | yup | Oct 25 00:32 |
schestowitz | but a Trojan horse-type-of-it | Oct 25 00:32 |
schestowitz | "smart" is "easy" | Oct 25 00:32 |
schestowitz | "go smart" | Oct 25 00:32 |
schestowitz | I say | Oct 25 00:32 |
MinceR | shop smart, shop s-mart | Oct 25 00:32 |
schestowitz | bring your f-ing workers here | Oct 25 00:32 |
schestowitz | they know their job | Oct 25 00:32 |
schestowitz | knock-knock, who's there, utility dude, ok come on, thank you, goodbye | Oct 25 00:33 |
schestowitz | they want us to set up accounts and do their work for them, or have "smart" meters installed | Oct 25 00:33 |
schestowitz | how it that any more convenient than opening our door? | Oct 25 00:33 |
schestowitz | once is like... 3 months? | Oct 25 00:33 |
schestowitz | MinceR: there are even "Smart" sex toys now... and apparently some people think it'll enrich their life | Oct 25 00:34 |
schestowitz | not sure if the pushback against "Smart" is strong enough... the ad industry controls people's "screen space" in sites like FB | Oct 25 00:34 |
schestowitz | or "Screen time" | Oct 25 00:34 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I sent a friend a card a few days ago. The joy was a lot more than just sending a text message. | Oct 25 00:35 |
schestowitz | those are the terms they now use | Oct 25 00:35 |
schestowitz | with billboards it's "field of vision" | Oct 25 00:35 |
schestowitz | (which can cause more car accidents" | Oct 25 00:35 |
schestowitz | ) | Oct 25 00:35 |
schestowitz | cards can last 50 years or more | Oct 25 00:35 |
schestowitz | more if the kids keep those too | Oct 25 00:35 |
schestowitz | they're likely to keep it stored somewhere, even if they have no direct interest in the cards | Oct 25 00:36 |
schestowitz | polaroid is making a comeback, I heard | Oct 25 00:36 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I've heard that too | Oct 25 00:36 |
schestowitz | people forgot what "physical copies" mean | Oct 25 00:36 |
schestowitz | I had to "go online" to tell our water supplier to NOT stop sending paper bills | Oct 25 00:36 |
schestowitz | they only ever needed to send these every 6 months, so why stop? | Oct 25 00:36 |
schestowitz | services cheapened... and "Smart" means... the customer learned to do the job we used to do | Oct 25 00:37 |
schestowitz | I still have physical cards with me that people gave me at school | Oct 25 00:37 |
schestowitz | people I nearly forgot | Oct 25 00:37 |
schestowitz | for most people hard drives aren't properly backed up (data will be lost in ~5 years) and many no longer have drives, they have "phone" | Oct 25 00:38 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I still archive a lot of data as data matrix barcode printouts | Oct 25 00:38 |
schestowitz | and "clown storage" | Oct 25 00:38 |
schestowitz | so, like Jon Schwartz (Sun CEO) warned, a lot of memories will become inaccessible pretty fast | Oct 25 00:38 |
schestowitz | they don't care at present | Oct 25 00:39 |
schestowitz | they will in the future, but it'll be rationalised the "sour grapes" way | Oct 25 00:39 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | The whole ad thing isn't that hard to solve | Oct 25 00:39 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Get people to start using E2E encrypted email | Oct 25 00:39 |
schestowitz | "well, those old photos weren't that great anyhow"... | Oct 25 00:39 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Stop the email mining | Oct 25 00:39 |
schestowitz | email? | Oct 25 00:39 |
schestowitz | what's that? | Oct 25 00:39 |
schestowitz | oh, you mean "gmail" ! | Oct 25 00:40 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | more or less lol | Oct 25 00:40 |
schestowitz | emails sucks, can't use it, no emoji interface lol lmao | Oct 25 00:40 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | They have Unicode emojis in email though | Oct 25 00:40 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | And not fake E2E encrypted email like Protonmail | Oct 25 00:42 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | What a bloody scam | Oct 25 00:42 |
schestowitz | but the interfaces lack their 'beloved' emojis | Oct 25 00:42 |
MinceR | schestowitz: (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GULItNlBvJc | Oct 25 00:42 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Army of Darkness (HD) - This is my boomstick! - YouTube | Oct 25 00:42 | |
schestowitz | so they cannot figure out how to make "chinese emails" with pictures instead of words | Oct 25 00:42 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Idk if you guys have seen all the Protonmail ads | Oct 25 00:43 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | They store private keys | Oct 25 00:43 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | So what's the bloody point | Oct 25 00:43 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | The level of Protonmail shilling on YouTube is also disgusting | Oct 25 00:44 |
thddx | is that a somewhat recent development? i signed up for protonmail way back when it first launched, and i recall storing my own private key | Oct 25 00:45 |
thddx | never really used the service | Oct 25 00:45 |
thddx | returned recently | Oct 25 00:45 |
thddx | it said my key was no longer valid | Oct 25 00:45 |
schestowitz | MinceR: LOL | Oct 25 00:45 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I gave it a try today, at least on the web interface it asked me for my private key. Generated one for my default account. | Oct 25 00:46 |
thddx | and then my few minimal messages were 'restored' | Oct 25 00:46 |
thddx | which i then thought defeated the purpose | Oct 25 00:46 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | That's what I'm saying | Oct 25 00:46 |
thddx | yeah... i was confused | Oct 25 00:46 |
thddx | i was expecting a fresh mailbox and instead i lost confidence in the service | Oct 25 00:47 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I was doing research for something I'm working on. I even paid money for the professional subscription. But I cancelled immediately. Still took my money but now I know the level of scam I'm dealing with. | Oct 25 00:47 |
schestowitz | [00:44] <vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx> The level of Protonmail shilling on YouTube is also disgusting | Oct 25 00:48 |
schestowitz | that's the business plan/model | Oct 25 00:48 |
schestowitz | same for Brave | Oct 25 00:48 |
schestowitz | iirc, protonmail is NSA-connected | Oct 25 00:49 |
schestowitz | check their staff, let me check | Oct 25 00:49 |
schestowitz | maybe I confuse this with another company | Oct 25 00:49 |
schestowitz | after snowden leaks many such companies emerged, ex-NSA staff | Oct 25 00:49 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Roy will probably figure out who I am if I go into more detail lol | Oct 25 00:49 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I swear it's just a bunch of web devs that got hold of a few sysadmins and started an email service | Oct 25 00:50 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Encryption experts my rear end | Oct 25 00:51 |
thddx | i don't doubt it | Oct 25 00:51 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-020120.html#tJan%2002%2006:29:23 | Oct 25 00:52 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Thursday, January 02, 2020 | Oct 25 00:52 | |
schestowitz | I wrote about this also in http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/irc-log-social-11032019.html | Oct 25 00:52 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: March 11th, 2019 โ March 17th, 2019 | Oct 25 00:52 | |
schestowitz | I cannot, however, find another source | Oct 25 00:52 |
schestowitz | maybe another service was ex-NSA | Oct 25 00:52 |
schestowitz | not tutanota | Oct 25 00:52 |
schestowitz | which is also crap 'privacy' afaik | Oct 25 00:52 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I've got some stuff in the work that I'll forward to Techrights again later. | Oct 25 00:53 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Bit busy with other projects atm | Oct 25 00:54 |
schestowitz | I am trying to take stock again of which "Snowden aftermath" companies were ex-NSA-founded | Oct 25 00:55 |
schestowitz | there were several | Oct 25 00:55 |
schestowitz | some did not survive for long | Oct 25 00:55 |
schestowitz | like "blackphone" | Oct 25 00:55 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I've got something coming out in a few weeks. I'll let Roy know in an email before I go forward with it. | Oct 25 00:56 |
schestowitz | hopefully not "cloud" | Oct 25 00:56 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I have cloud hardcoded as an alias for server in my head | Oct 25 00:57 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | So I don't get as triggered when I see that word as I used to | Oct 25 00:57 |
schestowitz | server might be ok | Oct 25 00:57 |
schestowitz | "cloud" means "not yours" | Oct 25 00:57 |
schestowitz | or "oursourced" | Oct 25 00:57 |
schestowitz | *outsourced | Oct 25 00:57 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | We live in a world where Javascript is called AI | Oct 25 00:58 |
schestowitz | lol | Oct 25 00:58 |
MinceR | :> | Oct 25 01:00 |
MinceR | http://existentialcomics.com/comic/357 | Oct 25 01:01 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-existentialcomics.com | Turing Tests and Other Things of That Nature - Existential Comics | Oct 25 01:01 | |
thddx | all kind of moot for me anyway, as if i really need to encrypt a message, i just use gnupg in mutt/neomutt | Oct 25 01:02 |
thddx | but i've signed up sporadically for these services in the event they wind up being useful | Oct 25 01:03 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I've been working on quite a few PGP implementations lately | Oct 25 01:04 |
thddx | i've always intended to just setup my own & tie it to my domain, but i'm between internet at the moment | Oct 25 01:04 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | But back to the services. It's more research I'm doing for an education project | Oct 25 01:04 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Idk if you lot have hear of Sequoia but it looks pretty promising | Oct 25 01:05 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | It's a PGP implementation in Rust based on top of the Nettle crypto library | Oct 25 01:05 |
thddx | i've not, but i'll jot it down for future research | Oct 25 01:05 |
schestowitz | RustHub | Oct 25 01:05 |
schestowitz | MSFT RustHub | Oct 25 01:05 |
schestowitz | Even their newsletters are "developed" on Microsoft servers and you need Microsoft account for those | Oct 25 01:06 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I wouldn't knock the Sequoia devs though. They've kept it GPL | Oct 25 01:06 |
schestowitz | they ban Microsoft critics | Oct 25 01:06 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Rust is a pretty good language that has some quality of life improvements over C | Oct 25 01:06 |
schestowitz | they're worthless as a project unless they realise how foolish this is... what good is a "foundation" for a project Microsoft controls? | Oct 25 01:06 |
schestowitz | C is at least not controlled by those companies | Oct 25 01:07 |
MinceR | C++ is better | Oct 25 01:07 |
MinceR | also, rust has a fucked up trademark policy | Oct 25 01:07 |
schestowitz | they have a worrisome coc too | Oct 25 01:07 |
MinceR | so it would need to be freed by someone else like failfox was | Oct 25 01:07 |
schestowitz | you can be ousted based on fictional "problems" | Oct 25 01:07 |
schestowitz | MinceR: rusty fork | Oct 25 01:08 |
MinceR | :> | Oct 25 01:08 |
schestowitz | yum | Oct 25 01:08 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I'm pretty sure Rust and Go will become the new standard dev languages for anything that isn't kernel level | Oct 25 01:08 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | kernel level or below* | Oct 25 01:08 |
MinceR | lol no generics | Oct 25 01:08 |
schestowitz | not python? | Oct 25 01:08 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Go has generics now | Oct 25 01:08 |
MinceR | python already is | Oct 25 01:08 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Rust does too | Oct 25 01:08 |
schestowitz | They can go(lang) to hell | Oct 25 01:09 |
schestowitz | it's google-controlled | Oct 25 01:09 |
schestowitz | and afaik also ShitHubbed, but I'm not sure | Oct 25 01:09 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I've had to deal with Python before | Oct 25 01:09 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Python async | Oct 25 01:09 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Never again | Oct 25 01:09 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I'd rather chew on glass | Oct 25 01:10 |
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Rust and Go made doing concurrent programming a lot more accessible and less prone to shooting yourself in the foot. I don't see them going away anytime soon. | Oct 25 01:12 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | People have come around to the fact that spawning processes willy nilly is not a good way to deal with systems. | Oct 25 01:12 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | What really confuses me with these new languages though is their insistence on telling you how you should manage your dependencies | Oct 25 01:14 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | They make their own little DSLs for package management and all this other fluff | Oct 25 01:15 |
MinceR | and apparently rush pushes static linking | Oct 25 01:16 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | It's a design decision | Oct 25 01:16 |
MinceR | yeah, a bad one | Oct 25 01:16 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Depends on the context | Oct 25 01:17 |
MinceR | and one they could have left to the programmers | Oct 25 01:17 |
MinceR | s/rush/rust/ | Oct 25 01:17 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I would like the option too yeah | Oct 25 01:19 |
thddx | sounds boxy. a good way to recruit an army of drones to just code and not ask questions | Oct 25 01:20 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | That's about the point with these languages | Oct 25 01:20 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | It's supposed to let inexperienced developers build stuff just good enough to get the job done. Which I get from a business point of view | Oct 25 01:20 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | The average programmer these days doesn't even know how to write a Makefile | Oct 25 01:22 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | We live in the era of the framework developer | Oct 25 01:28 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Btw, anyone seen the latest US presidential debate? | Oct 25 01:30 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I was cracking up when the whole Abraham Lincoln thing happened | Oct 25 01:30 |
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thddx | i listened to most of it | Oct 25 01:42 |
thddx | 'i am the least racist person on this stage' | Oct 25 01:43 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | "I can't see anyone, it's so dark" | Oct 25 01:43 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | :') | Oct 25 01:43 |
thddx | haha. oh yeah | Oct 25 01:43 |
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schestowitz | https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2020/10/23/this_was_bigger_then_gnome/ | Oct 25 01:21 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.theregister.com | 'This was bigger than GNOME and bigger than just this case.' GNOME Foundation exec director talks patent trolls and much, much more โข The Register Forums | Oct 25 01:21 | |
schestowitz | " | Oct 25 01:21 |
schestowitz | The problem though is that โto fully defend a patent infringement case it usually costs about $10,000,000,โ he said. | Oct 25 01:21 |
schestowitz | Its the reason why the only winners in these cases are the lawyers. The patent system is just broken in the US, and unless its fixed its just going to mean that independent developers will be driven out of business for fears of patent trolls coming after them and they will not have the fund to defend even when there is legitimate prior art. | Oct 25 01:21 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 25 01:21 |
schestowitz | https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2020/10/23/this_was_bigger_then_gnome/ | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | ' | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | .. sound like a Japanese soldier still fighting WW2 in 1960 ... | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | MS declared war on Linux many years ago. | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | Steve Ballmer made it quite clear in an "interview" with the Chicago Sun-Times, 2001-06-01. | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | --- | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | "Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches ..." | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | --- | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | That war is still going on. | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | Their style is the same as it has always been: EEE / Embrace, Extend and Extinguish. | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | The approach has changed: is a friendlier so for quite a few it is harder to see. | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | As they go around throwing money about with a smile, everyone thinks MS Reborn, having seen the light, is now their long lost bro. | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | Bullshit for the great unwashed and gullible IT journalists. | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | As to growing up, I've already grown up. | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | At least enough to clearly understand just what is going on. | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | Instead of living in a fantasy. | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | O. | Oct 25 01:22 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 25 01:22 |
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schestowitz | " | Oct 25 01:23 |
schestowitz | Upvoted you for the first part, but I think the second part is essentially wrong. | Oct 25 01:23 |
schestowitz | If IBM is a Crocodile and Oracle is a Great White Shark, which living dinosaur is Microsoft and what is their feeding ground? I think they're going extinct. Scrambling into the grounds of the other apex predators, other predators that in at least some ways have understood how to cohabitate. Microsoft just stood alone too long on their own little island, much like the Komodo dragon. I just won't be surprised at all, if rightfully and | Oct 25 01:23 |
schestowitz | sourly there isn't some destructive plan to survive. I'm not sure what happen to the T-Rex, but I'm sure they weren't reduced down to Iguanas quietly. | Oct 25 01:23 |
schestowitz | On a side note: As a MS "hater" myself, I'm not too sure if the overly hateful of Microsoft have thought things through, I can't help to wonder about what massive disarray would happen if they magically disappeared... just vanished. Sure, the bigger they are the harder they fall, but the crater they leave behind still has to be cleaned up. But, don't get me wrong, fuck Microsoft :-P | Oct 25 01:23 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 25 01:23 |
MinceR | i'd welcome that disarray | Oct 25 01:42 |
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kingoffrance | as soon as they start saying "hater" they have already distracted from actual issues | Oct 25 03:17 |
kingoffrance | so have to agree with MinceR | Oct 25 03:17 |
kingoffrance | so my answer is | Oct 25 03:18 |
kingoffrance | crocodile tears | Oct 25 03:18 |
kingoffrance | that fits | Oct 25 03:18 |
kingoffrance | play the victim | Oct 25 03:18 |
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schestowitz | just woke up from a very weird dream | Oct 25 05:57 |
schestowitz | where Billy G. had tried to forcibly bribe me against my will and without my knowledge | Oct 25 05:57 |
schestowitz | maybe shows a subconscious fear | Oct 25 05:57 |
schestowitz | as he already did try to bribe my boss | Oct 25 05:58 |
CrystalMath | Bill Gates himself? | Oct 25 05:59 |
schestowitz | yes | Oct 25 05:59 |
schestowitz | by sabotaging something of mine, then paying the repair bills to 'fix' it | Oct 25 06:00 |
CrystalMath | strange... | Oct 25 06:00 |
CrystalMath | i mean it makes no sense | Oct 25 06:00 |
CrystalMath | he doesn't even run microsoft | Oct 25 06:00 |
schestowitz | I know it's a dream, but dreams do mean something and this one was a long and complicated one... | Oct 25 06:00 |
CrystalMath | all he does is yap on TV and ride horses | Oct 25 06:00 |
schestowitz | bribery is not always possible | Oct 25 06:01 |
schestowitz | you might even bribe something by throwing money at them and then they'll still keep criticising you | Oct 25 06:01 |
CrystalMath | also i don't really think dreams are anything beyond just, your brain randomly mixing things up | Oct 25 06:01 |
schestowitz | but that's not the point | Oct 25 06:01 |
schestowitz | he did play some risky games by bribing publishers in the past | Oct 25 06:01 |
schestowitz | Google does that too BTW | Oct 25 06:01 |
schestowitz | it silenced a lot of projects and orgs | Oct 25 06:01 |
schestowitz | inc. FSF IMHO | Oct 25 06:01 |
CrystalMath | but really, techrights? | Oct 25 06:01 |
CrystalMath | techrights is kinda soft | Oct 25 06:02 |
CrystalMath | i mean yes you're on the right side, but you seem kinda soft about it | Oct 25 06:02 |
schestowitz | if you become too harsh, then people take the message less seriously | Oct 25 06:02 |
schestowitz | but anyway, there's a basis for it | Oct 25 06:02 |
schestowitz | because one year ago my boss put us on conference call | Oct 25 06:03 |
schestowitz | and told us "bill and melinda gates" had paid him | Oct 25 06:03 |
schestowitz | and that it's OK for me to keep criticising if I want to | Oct 25 06:03 |
schestowitz | the whole thing was very strange | Oct 25 06:03 |
schestowitz | it was like a month after the MIT-Epstein thing | Oct 25 06:03 |
CrystalMath | hmm | Oct 25 06:03 |
schestowitz | and RMS was 'cancelled' a day after we had petitions the police with FOIA for arrest at his house, which might still be totally a coincidence | Oct 25 06:04 |
schestowitz | the payment was tied to an NDA | Oct 25 06:04 |
schestowitz | we never do NDAs | Oct 25 06:04 |
schestowitz | and as soon as he tells employees about it, I suppose he too violates the NDA | Oct 25 06:04 |
schestowitz | (which we were never privy to) | Oct 25 06:05 |
schestowitz | missing piece (I made this public this year): 5 years ago a journalist was here for weeks/months in IRC | Oct 25 06:08 |
schestowitz | he had been working on a hard-hitting Gates piece | Oct 25 06:08 |
schestowitz | together with our input | Oct 25 06:08 |
schestowitz | Gates then paid his employer, The Verge, for some "partnership" | Oct 25 06:08 |
schestowitz | and he was then fired | Oct 25 06:08 |
schestowitz | before he even managed to publish his article | Oct 25 06:08 |
schestowitz | so there's some history to all this | Oct 25 06:08 |
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schestowitz | Those useless politicians again https://gazette.com/ap/politics/murkowskis-nod-gives-barrett-extra-boost-for-supreme-court/article_4148807d-f7ab-5fa0-b6e3-5c4569b52189.html | Oct 25 06:11 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Murkowski's nod gives Barrett extra boost for Supreme Court | Politics | gazette.com | Oct 25 06:11 | |
schestowitz | dark money is 'buying' SCOTUS justice again | Oct 25 06:11 |
schestowitz | and you know whose money | Oct 25 06:11 |
CrystalMath | btw | Oct 25 06:11 |
CrystalMath | have you covered the youtube-dl takedown? | Oct 25 06:12 |
CrystalMath | sorry i haven't been keeping track | Oct 25 06:12 |
oarion7 | there's more to the story, too, as the maintainers of the project were ignoring pull requests for sometime, and allegedly blockign people who tried to talk about it | Oct 25 06:14 |
oarion7 | the project can live on in one of the forks as long as it's hosted on another platform | Oct 25 06:14 |
CrystalMath | that's a lie | Oct 25 06:17 |
CrystalMath | they weren't blocking people | Oct 25 06:17 |
CrystalMath | and that had nothing to do with the DMCA takedown | Oct 25 06:17 |
CrystalMath | also, the fork was also taken down | Oct 25 06:17 |
oarion7 | Who are you accusing of lying? | Oct 25 06:17 |
CrystalMath | but is now back up, with one problem listed in th DMCA notice fixed | Oct 25 06:17 |
CrystalMath | the various people who are the source of that claim that they blocked people | Oct 25 06:17 |
CrystalMath | i've heard it before, so it's not you | Oct 25 06:18 |
oarion7 | Thank you I appreciate that | Oct 25 06:18 |
CrystalMath | i actually heard it before the DMCA thing | Oct 25 06:18 |
oarion7 | I just wonder if the last few weeks of "intrigue" is relevant backstory | Oct 25 06:18 |
CrystalMath | but the RIAA is the source of the DMCA claim | Oct 25 06:18 |
oarion7 | Right on | Oct 25 06:18 |
CrystalMath | they also took down the fork, youtube-dlc | Oct 25 06:18 |
CrystalMath | however it's back up with some history rewritten, as yt-dlc | Oct 25 06:19 |
CrystalMath | the offending links and signs of bad faith were removed from the entire git history | Oct 25 06:19 |
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CrystalMath | youtube support remains, and so the ii claim of the DMCA letter is perhaps still not quite resolved | Oct 25 06:20 |
CrystalMath | if it has any merit to it | Oct 25 06:20 |
oarion7 | Skimming their subreddit there seems to be an atmosphere of pessimism as to whether the devs will "bother" to reorganize on another platform, I hope they are wrong. At least they own a domain name and website to check on periodically for updates | Oct 25 06:20 |
oarion7 | "their" subreddit meaning the user base | Oct 25 06:20 |
CrystalMath | supposely, the RIAA thinks that when firefox downloads a javascript file, executes it to get a link to a video, that is all fine and dandy | Oct 25 06:20 |
oarion7 | I haven't heard from any of the main devs to my knowledge | Oct 25 06:21 |
CrystalMath | but when youtube-dl downloads a javascrpt file, executes it to get a link to a video, well that's DMCA circumvention | Oct 25 06:21 |
schestowitz | CrystalMath: I covered this issue too briefly | Oct 25 06:22 |
schestowitz | the media already does a decent job covering that | Oct 25 06:22 |
schestowitz | so for us to do more articles about it would be sort of "lost in the sea of coverage" | Oct 25 06:22 |
CrystalMath | oarion7: well, yt-dlc, the fork, is certainly going on | Oct 25 06:23 |
CrystalMath | and on github, even, they decided to fix claim i and call BS on claim ii | Oct 25 06:23 |
schestowitz | [11:10] <schestowitz> Prediction: #RIAA or another wing of #MAFIAA will label #curl a โpiracyโ tool and pressure to ban it from #github (causing chaos and disarray for developers, like the YouTube-DL case). #deletegithub and put git on your new server, @bagder (regain >control< over the project). #sweden has notably strong protections. | Oct 25 06:24 |
CrystalMath | i see schestowitz | Oct 25 06:25 |
CrystalMath | well i'm going to sleep | Oct 25 06:30 |
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schestowitz | New themes, glorified hype and name, "dark mode" (we had that in the 1990s, maybe 1980s) https://www.androidcentral.com/chrome-os-finally-getting-dark-mode | Oct 25 06:38 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com | Chrome OS finally has a dark mode, and you can try it right now | Android Central | Oct 25 06:38 | |
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schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DadeWilliams/status/1320227948792786944 | Oct 25 06:47 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DadeWilliams: Boooooooooooo https://t.co/eKw0WFRl2Z | Oct 25 06:47 | |
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schestowitz | open clowns :-) https://twitter.com/DadeWilliams/status/1320227948792786944 | Oct 25 06:47 |
schestowitz | "open up that fucking clown!! Open HIM!!" | Oct 25 06:48 |
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schestowitz | zoobab: 17,709 new cases and 79 new deaths in Belgium | Oct 25 07:02 |
schestowitz | wow, that's like half a million US cases in a day | Oct 25 07:02 |
schestowitz | if scale for population size | Oct 25 07:03 |
schestowitz | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/17y7dQRz | Oct 25 07:09 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Let's double - post regarding Red Hat layoffs | Oct 25 07:09 | |
schestowitz | " | Oct 25 07:09 |
schestowitz | Let's double | Oct 25 07:09 |
schestowitz | IBM Hopes to Double Sales at Red Hat in Next Three Years | Oct 25 07:09 |
schestowitz | International Business Machines Corp. IBM -1.97% hopes to double sales at its Red Hat open-source software unit in the next three years as Chief Executive... | Oct 25 07:09 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 25 07:09 |
schestowitz | This is 2 days old | Oct 25 07:09 |
schestowitz | and says nothing about the topic of the site, layoffs | Oct 25 07:09 |
schestowitz | I wonder why it was submitted the same day I linked to the layoffs page | Oct 25 07:09 |
schestowitz | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/17qkNWqR | Oct 25 07:13 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Disadvantages of working from home? - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs | Oct 25 07:13 | |
schestowitz | some people post not layoff rumours there | Oct 25 07:14 |
schestowitz | but promotional PR posts | Oct 25 07:14 |
schestowitz | for all we know, those could be PR moles | Oct 25 07:14 |
schestowitz | trying to price these bulletin boards with fluff | Oct 25 07:14 |
schestowitz | Such as this one https://www.thelayoff.com/t/17wsa8sq | Oct 25 07:14 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Cloud-computing battle launches into space - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs | Oct 25 07:14 | |
schestowitz | plus the one from Red Hat | Oct 25 07:14 |
schestowitz | not sure | Oct 25 07:14 |
schestowitz | nothing to assure us those are employees as opposed to PR operatives | Oct 25 07:14 |
schestowitz | "This guy just came and all that he did was politics.. destroyed business momentum...agree?" | Oct 25 07:15 |
schestowitz | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/16LMngZE | Oct 25 07:15 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Dave Miller Dynamics - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs | Oct 25 07:15 | |
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oiaohm | schestowitz: the early 1990s the high contrast modes were basically what we call dark mode today. | Oct 25 07:46 |
oiaohm | Nothing like going around a big huge circle. | Oct 25 07:47 |
schestowitz | hype wave | Oct 25 07:47 |
schestowitz | they remove options | Oct 25 07:47 |
schestowitz | like changing UI colours | Oct 25 07:47 |
schestowitz | in the name of "app" and "simple" | Oct 25 07:47 |
schestowitz | then we have two modes at most | Oct 25 07:48 |
schestowitz | normal and "dark mode" | Oct 25 07:48 |
schestowitz | cheaper to develop and maintain | Oct 25 07:48 |
schestowitz | this is just insane | Oct 25 07:48 |
oiaohm | https://blog.codinghorror.com/a-tribute-to-the-windows-31-hot-dog-stand-color-scheme/ Do wonder if this will ever come back. | Oct 25 07:48 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.codinghorror.com | A Tribute to the Windows 3.1 "Hot Dog Stand" Color Scheme | Oct 25 07:48 | |
schestowitz | software getting worse over time | Oct 25 07:48 |
oiaohm | Not in all areas. | Oct 25 07:48 |
oiaohm | Most people forgot hot dog standard themes. | Oct 25 07:48 |
schestowitz | "ux" "Ease of use" = we remove options | Oct 25 07:49 |
schestowitz | to "not confuse the user" | Oct 25 07:49 |
schestowitz | and "pay our engineers less" | Oct 25 07:50 |
oiaohm | Not always so. | Oct 25 07:50 |
oiaohm | Blender easy to use equaled make the interface completely reconfigurable by python. | Oct 25 07:50 |
schestowitz | "all y'all need ed all along with an app with "all" the buttons except "back" and "burger" menu" | Oct 25 07:50 |
schestowitz | blender isn't easy and not supposed to be | Oct 25 07:51 |
schestowitz | 3-d tracing and design cannot be made >too< easy | Oct 25 07:51 |
schestowitz | pov-ray when I last used it was also hard | Oct 25 07:51 |
schestowitz | but the underlying task is hard | Oct 25 07:51 |
oiaohm | The reconfigurable interface comes out of easy to use with blender. | Oct 25 07:51 |
oiaohm | As in you can reconfigure it to replicate another applications interface if you like. | Oct 25 07:52 |
oiaohm | "Easy to use" arguements are paths to different levels of hell. | Oct 25 07:52 |
oiaohm | Its like Apple having only a single mouse button. | Oct 25 07:53 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: "Easy to use" does not always equal remove options. Blender "Easy to use" made it you sit down at someone elses workstation and attempt to use blender without knowing how it been customised equals mega screw ups. | Oct 25 07:55 |
schestowitz | you are sort of missing the point | Oct 25 07:56 |
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schestowitz | I was satirising the thing | Oct 25 07:56 |
schestowitz | that they remove options, make things impossible, then claim it's "easy of use" or "UX" | Oct 25 07:56 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: and if you want to use blender, you need to learn | Oct 25 07:57 |
oiaohm | "Easy to use" with UX is never descriptive enough to be 100 percent sure what they are upto. Easy to use with UX are either stripping features or adding that many features without nice safe guards. Both end up with user screwed in different ways. | Oct 25 07:57 |
schestowitz | the tasks themselves, then the tools | Oct 25 07:57 |
schestowitz | same gor git | Oct 25 07:57 |
schestowitz | git | Oct 25 07:57 |
oiaohm | I have worked with blender. | Oct 25 07:57 |
schestowitz | making "shortcuts" encourages bad practices | Oct 25 07:57 |
schestowitz | like outsourcing to github | Oct 25 07:57 |
oiaohm | I have had enough people be caught out when a system gone wrong to attempt to use someone else blender setup and screw everything. | Oct 25 07:57 |
oiaohm | Blender fun you can even alter how you can access the setting menu. | Oct 25 07:58 |
oiaohm | Like connecting the normal path to access settings to quit blender. | Oct 25 07:58 |
schestowitz | gnome 3 made things worse, not sure about blender | Oct 25 08:00 |
schestowitz | they removed lots of stuff | Oct 25 08:00 |
schestowitz | then they tell you to get extensions | Oct 25 08:00 |
schestowitz | firefox had many plugins killed by mozilla | Oct 25 08:00 |
schestowitz | then they talk about extensions | Oct 25 08:00 |
schestowitz | and the browser isn't getting easier, just dumber | Oct 25 08:00 |
schestowitz | in the name of "unified" experience | Oct 25 08:01 |
schestowitz | as if all users are the same and should be the same | Oct 25 08:01 |
schestowitz | like the "app" mindset | Oct 25 08:01 |
schestowitz | give senior citizen with zero computer experience same tools as geeks | Oct 25 08:01 |
oiaohm | https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/chrome-google.html This one is nice and fun. | Oct 25 08:01 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lapcatsoftware.com | Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings | Oct 25 08:01 | |
schestowitz | and impose on the latter something that's just not suitable | Oct 25 08:01 |
oiaohm | Chrome one is example of having setting that does not do what the user expects. | Oct 25 08:02 |
oiaohm | Like you told it to delete all cookies but it skips google.com and youtube cookies. | Oct 25 08:02 |
oiaohm | Stuff like that you see argued as should be done for "easy of use" as well. When it really lets collect data. | Oct 25 08:03 |
oiaohm | Easy of Use being used to explain a software change is normally something wrong. | Oct 25 08:03 |
schestowitz | https://www.androidcentral.com/chrome-os-finally-getting-dark-mode | Oct 25 08:03 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com | Chrome OS finally has a dark mode, and you can try it right now | Android Central | Oct 25 08:03 | |
schestowitz | to make a point | Oct 25 08:03 |
schestowitz | wtf is that? | Oct 25 08:03 |
schestowitz | welcome back, kde 1995? | Oct 25 08:03 |
oiaohm | With different vision issue a dark theme option is required. Yes white text with black background is more readable to some people than black on white background | Oct 25 08:10 |
oiaohm | Its more why did chrome OS not have that feature from day one. | Oct 25 08:10 |
schestowitz | it seems to have started as a web site and battery thing | Oct 25 08:13 |
schestowitz | and then "apps" | Oct 25 08:13 |
schestowitz | and "desktop" | Oct 25 08:13 |
schestowitz | this whole "dark theme" BS | Oct 25 08:13 |
schestowitz | this kind of thing is being imposed or dictated by companies now | Oct 25 08:14 |
schestowitz | even the "open" and "free" stuff | Oct 25 08:14 |
schestowitz | even some distros, to some degree | Oct 25 08:14 |
schestowitz | they don't want to test contrast with more theme families | Oct 25 08:15 |
schestowitz | its a development and testing cost issue | Oct 25 08:15 |
schestowitz | not much to do with actual users | Oct 25 08:15 |
schestowitz | https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/10/24/what-donald-trump-did-for-hydrocarbons | Oct 25 09:13 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pumped up - What Donald Trump did for hydrocarbons | United States | The Economist | Oct 25 09:13 | |
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zoobab | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1320284858367807489 | Oct 25 09:45 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Rumour of an MoU (Memorandum of Understanding) being signed between the EPO and Breton, meaning the Europe Commissiโฆ https://t.co/kjwpvXU2r6 | Oct 25 09:45 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Rumour of an MoU (Memorandum of Understanding) being signed between the EPO and Breton, meaning the Europe Commissiโฆ https://t.co/kjwpvXU2r6 | Oct 25 09:45 | |
zoobab | "Rumour of an MoU (Memorandum of Understanding) being signed between the EPO and Breton, meaning the Europe Commission might copy/paste any policy demand that the EPO will make, like we have seen in their recent public interventions on patent policy #epo #breton #europe #patent" | Oct 25 09:45 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Itโs Time To Admit It: The X.Org Server Is Abandonware โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143627 [https://pleroma.site/objects/71b963c2-f441-4325-828a-a48b55f6264d] | Oct 25 09:46 | |
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kingoffrance | oh i dont know that dark mode is kind of funny to me | Oct 25 10:12 |
kingoffrance | thats how many terminals are | Oct 25 10:12 |
kingoffrance | both when they were real, then many virtual ones too | Oct 25 10:12 |
kingoffrance | like, that is normal mode for a large number of command line people i suspect | Oct 25 10:13 |
kingoffrance | i always thought solaris or next looked funny with white terminal bg | Oct 25 10:14 |
kingoffrance | beos too IIRC | Oct 25 10:15 |
schestowitz | zoobab: no source? | Oct 25 10:21 |
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 25/10/2020: GNU Talerโs IETF Milestone, RISC OS 5.28 and New Ubuntu Community Council http://techrights.org/2020/10/25/new-ubuntu-community-council/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/db7eabd9-7ff8-4de8-8fd4-aaf47b3440f2] | Oct 25 10:43 | |
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MinceR | (cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/E6kMS60.mp4 | Oct 25 13:22 |
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MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/poets | Oct 25 14:14 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Poets | Oct 25 14:14 | |
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schestowitz | MinceR: "I just fell on her, I swear" | Oct 25 15:17 |
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MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20090821 | Oct 25 16:17 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4876488) | Oct 25 16:17 | |
MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/2009089 | Oct 25 16:33 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4876290) | Oct 25 16:33 | |
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Still seeing some belated coverage about #ubuntu #gnu #linux release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143510#comment-26843 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3e25ed95-4bfa-47a2-ad5f-4c03dd05ae1f] | Oct 25 17:41 | |
schestowitz | http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/10/23/ffii-preparing-constitutional-complaint-against-unified-patent-court-agreement/#comments | Oct 25 17:44 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | FFII preparing constitutional complaint against Unified Patent Court Agreement - Kluwer Patent Blog | Oct 25 17:44 | |
schestowitz | " | Oct 25 17:44 |
schestowitz | Read also this interesting article by Bardehle, which is pretty much the same answer: | Oct 25 17:44 |
schestowitz | https://www.lesi.org/publications/les-nouvelles/les-nouvelles-article-of-the-month/les-nouvelles-article-of-the-month-archives/les-nouvelles-article-of-the-month-may-2020 | Oct 25 17:44 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lesi.org | les Nouvelles Article of the Month May 2020 | Oct 25 17:44 | |
schestowitz | โA first indicator of how the above principles will be applied by the FCC are the pending four cases against the allegedly deficient system of judicial review before the Boards of Appeal of the EPO. These cases are on the 2020 agenda of the FCC. The judge rapporteur is the same one as in the UPC case. The outcome of these cases may not only be relevant for the standard of review to be expected in future constitutional complaints | Oct 25 17:44 |
schestowitz | against decisions of the UPC. In fact, it may immediately affect the unitary patent system because the Boards of Appeal are integrated into this system as competent to finally decide on the revocation of unitary patents in opposition appeal proceedings.โ | Oct 25 17:44 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 25 17:44 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | The FFII might look naรฏve, but who is the most naive? Besides the usual rant about no patents for software I would consider that there is lot of truth is in FFIIโs stance. That the EU software patents directive was rejected in July 2005 was thanks to the lobbying action of FFII and the like in the European Parliaments. As for the UPC, politicians were talking about something they did not master. It is somehow ironical that for the | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | UPC other lobbyist are at work. | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | It is the secret hope of the German lobbyists to blend the members of the Bundestag and that he agrees about something they do not have the faintest clue. It worked in so many other countries, and in the European Parliament, so why should it not work now at the Bundestag. | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | The UPCA has a number of drawbacks, but those have been conscientiously swept under the carpet. Only some will be mentioned here. | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | That an Administrative Committee decides where cases will go, and this in blatant contradiction with the text of the UPC, cf. Art 7(2) UPCA with respect of the London Section, is hard to believe. Where is the notion of the โlegal judgeโ when cases can be pushed around at will. | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | I thought the lawyers setting up the UPC would have had in mind the public interest, but it is blatant that their interest is only to fill their pockets, and for this any means are to be welcomed. | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | That the UPC will be more patent owner friendly is clear. The starting fee is 11 000โฌ for an infringement action, but 20 000โฌ for action in nullity. This speaks for itself. On the other hand, a court living only from the fees it levies, where is this to be seen beside private arbitration courts? | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | One should not forget that the German Government, the European Commission and Business Europe are deeply infiltrated by pro-UPC lobbyists, so it is no surprise that they push for the UPC. | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | The UPC, like the Boards of Appeal of the EPO lack a revision instance. In both the UPC and the EPC a revision is only possible for formal reasons, mainly for non-observation of the right to be heard. The very rare decisions of the EBA under Art 112 and in the future of the UPC under R 238A UPC cannot replace a proper revision instance in matters of substance. In the UPC this very important possibility can even be removed by decision | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | of the Administrative Committee! At least in the EPC it is enshrined in the convention itself which cannot be changed at the whim of an administrative committee. | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | That the EPO cannot be sued a refusal to grant is correct. On the other hand a UP can, at least in the beginning, only exist if the proprietor requests it. After the transitional period, all EP will be automatically designating a member state of the UPC, they will automatically subject to the jurisdiction of the UPC provided they are granted. But being granted or refused, letting a court outside of the control of the CJEU to decide on | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | the fate of an asset potentially or actually valid in part of the member states of the EPC is indeed a problem. Whether or not the pro-UPC ignore this fact is irrelevant. It is a fact and might become a much bigger problem as originally thought or presently belittled. | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | One of the biggest problems for which there is no solution is a potential clash of case law between the UPC and the Boards of Appeal. Without a proper mechanism to decide which one will have the lead, the situation might end up in a mess. It is not because Sir Robin Jacob has trumpeted that the UPC will become the lead court in Europe, and all other courts will follow them, that it will necessarily be the case. | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | The problem of the independence of the boards of appeal, or of the members of the UPC are two distinct problems, and mixing the two issues is at best confusing. That a UPC judge can be dismissed by a decision of the Presidium of the UPC without giving him a means of redress is scandalous to say the least. Here the German Federal Constitutional Court has made a serious mistake. But as it was said in the famous decision, we have one | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | reason to kill it, so other reasons are no really important. | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | Nothing against establishing a true pan European patent protection, but not what is attempted to the shoved down our throats in the interests of big companies and the lawyer working for them. The whole UPC is not giving the expected true pan European protection and ought to be scrapped and new negotiations started. The birth problems of the Luxembourg Convention of 1975 have only been solved at the surface, the UPCA and the UPC are not | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | a proper replacement for it. European industry has been happily living without something like the Luxembourg convention, so why do we need such a bad replacement? | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | In view of the very few truly supranational litigations in Europe, ( an average of 5-7 validations for an EP) and now that the UK is not participating, the UPC is only badly needed for those hoping to further fill their already deep pockets. Have you also noticed that the usefulness of the UPC for European SMEs has disappeared from the propaganda? | Oct 25 17:45 |
schestowitz | ' | Oct 25 17:45 |
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schestowitz | zoobab: ^^ | Oct 25 17:56 |
schestowitz | I assume you go by the movie guy's name | Oct 25 17:56 |
schestowitz | the Belgian one | Oct 25 17:56 |
schestowitz | Because the wording sounds a lot like yours | Oct 25 17:56 |
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XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/kn-h78tuNiU somehow got more civilised and calm | Oct 25 21:21 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"DEBATE NIGHT 2020!" โ A Bad Lip Reading of the First Presidential Debate of 2020 - YouTube | Oct 25 21:21 | |
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MinceR | (audio) https://i.imgur.com/wRlra5r.mp4 | Oct 25 22:17 |
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schestowitz | governments lie | Oct 25 22:22 |
schestowitz | but the labels used are wrong | Oct 25 22:22 |
schestowitz | but then again, the purpose it to mix truth with fiction | Oct 25 22:22 |
schestowitz | then discredit anything that questions an official's claim | Oct 25 22:22 |
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schestowitz | "big data" | Oct 25 23:08 |
schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuBzXGbELbI | Oct 25 23:08 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-2013 Red Hat Summit: Arvind Krishna, IBM Keynote - YouTube | Oct 25 23:08 | |
schestowitz | spying and data-mining | Oct 25 23:08 |
schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-oNlPuyNiY | Oct 25 23:10 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IIT Kanpur's Distinguished Alumnus Dr Arvind Krishna, CEO, IBM as he shares his experiences with us - YouTube | Oct 25 23:10 | |
schestowitz | lol | Oct 25 23:10 |
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schestowitz | https://placeholderapi.wordpress.com/2020/07/09/dummy-value-is-offensive-to-the-value-think-about-the-feeling/#comment-16983 | Oct 25 23:40 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-placeholderapi.wordpress.com | โฆโdummy valueโ is offensive to the value. Think about the feelingโฆ | Dr. Roy Schestowitz (็ฝไผ) | Oct 25 23:40 | |
schestowitz | " | Oct 25 23:40 |
schestowitz | I feel horrible. Think of all those poor values | Oct 25 23:40 |
schestowitz | I offended during my IT system testing. | Oct 25 23:40 |
schestowitz | I cant look in a mirror anymore. | Oct 25 23:40 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 25 23:40 |
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